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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1417
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:22:00 -
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Mathias Orsen wrote:I just like the way that all the people that have never flown a mach claim that it is OP and not having the slightest clue that it is not just a billion isk Hull, it is a billion isk hull that is often fit with billions of isk in mods.
My Mach is not Overpowered, My Wallet is.
you do realize that there are other 1bil pirate battleships and even among them the mach is king? while its dps and projection are good but not exceptional, its mobility is just over the top and needs to be nerfed by at least 20% or so to get the ship in line.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1417
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:36:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:
As someone else has said dont compare a pirate bs to a t1 bs please. thats like comparing an assault frig to a t1 frig... The mach is an expensive ship not just to buy but to fit as well. It should be worth the isk you pay. If we're to continue comparisons please compare it to the other pirate bs.
well, how about we compare it to the nightmare then? let's see... according to my face, the mach has:
- better paper dps
- damage type selection
- cap independant weapons
- bigger drone bay and bandwidth
- a LOT more speed
- a LOT more agility
- smaller signature
- higher scan resolution
pretty much the only advantages of the nightmare are cheaper ammo and better damage projection. incidentally, these two factors are important enough to make the nightmare a competitor in lvl4 missions (albeit only in amarr space), but anywhere else the mach just beats it hands down.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1418
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Posted - 2013.09.09 12:37:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:
and the nightmare has:
more cpu
more cap
higher targeting range
more sensor strength
more shields
instantaneous ammo swap/reload
really? you're gonna bring this weaksauce? well fine:
- more cpu is irrelevant as long as you have enough cpu for a decent fit. otherwise i may as well say "the mach has more powergrid hurrdurr".
- the slightly better cap is negated completely by the weapons and the fact that you have to fit an mwd to go faster than 300ish m/s
- two more sensor strength. 28 vs 26.if that is not a winning argument i don't know what is.
- higher raw shield HP is only relevant in PVP buffer fits. ironically, the nightmare is a terrible pvp ship compared to the mach so in the end it has 0 relevance.
- instant ammo swap is an advantage but i would take different damage types over different ranges any day.
bottom line, no matter how much space lawyering you try and do, the fact remains: the mach outdoes its siblings by a significant margin. bringing it in line will be better for the game and any unbiased player will admit it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1420
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Posted - 2013.09.10 16:07:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:That 'flavour' is kicking on for 490 DPS...I'm gonna go ahead and not ignore it  Yeah and you are wasting FIVE slots to get another 130DPS. Its a waist, and you are giving up that big advantage of the hull which is its natural god tank. Strikes me as doing it the hard way personally.
i just want to point out that a waist is the part between the upper and lower regions of interest on a young lady.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.13 13:19:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Whoa wait, better how....and for what?
- better for lvl4s because of selectable damage type, higher scan resolution, speed and agility.
- better for incursions because of higher alpha, higher scan resolution, speed and agility.
- better for small scale pvp because of selectable damage type, capless weapons, higher scan resolution, speed and agility.
- better for fleet pvp selectable damage type, higher alpha, higher scan resolution, speed and agility.
you're welcome.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1452
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Posted - 2013.09.13 15:04:00 -
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i'm done arguing with idiots for today. just one last thing: the fact that you personally never saw mach fleets has 0 impact on the question whether or not they are better fleet ships than vindicators.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1460
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Posted - 2013.09.13 23:58:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Claiming that selectable damage types is a benefit in incursions is akin to saying "I don't know anything".
that's why i did not say it.
Quote:Claiming that selectable damage types is an advantage in PvP when it ALWAYS does kinetic is more of the same.
so it always does 100% kinetic? no wait, is it 50%? OH RIGHT it's somewhere between 10% and 20% while the rest goes straight into the resist hole unless you were too stupid to switch ammo while warping. and i know i know, now you will tell me how you often have to fight against several enemies with different resist holes and all of them have like 110% kinetic resistance so you're actually healing them with your shots. it's amazing how many mental contortions people will go through when they don't want to lose their ticket to the gravy train.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1460
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:22:00 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:5. Nightmare - PvE in very specific parts of space and Incursions are all you see it doing. Not sure exactly what it needs though.
the only 'special' pvp feature of the nightmare are the two extra highs. you could try to buff its cap to make neuts or RR more worthwhile but you'd have to be careful not to overbuff it so much it becomes irrelevant in pve. you could also buff its agility to keep up with the other pirate hulls but that would kinda kill its flavor. a unique and more homogenous shield resist profile could be a fun experiment to make omnitanking easier, but then again, it's already strong enough in pve.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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